"Kid Nation": Has The Slippery Slope Just Become Slipperier?
The controversy surrounding the new CBS reality show, "Kid Nation" has caught the entire nation by surprise. At Safety4Kids, we thought it only right to weigh in on the issues surrounding this first-of-its-kind television show. We asked some of our experts to offer their thoughts on the subject. We have tried to remain objective, but when it comes to children and safety, we are passionate! Here's what Dr. Sheila Josephson, a psychotherapist with more than thirty years experience dealing with individuals and families had to say:"What would the world be like if people were required to take a parenting test?"
Forty children ages 8-15 dropped in the New Mexico desert for 40 days without basic amenities such as electricity and indoor plumbing in order to build their "own society" by working from sun-up to sun-down. There is no adult supervision--they are alone in their quest for their "own society". Is this a prison sentence for anti-social behavior? No, it's a new CBS reality show.
Up until now, only adults have participated in reality shows seeking fame and fortune, eating live bugs or displaying their prowess building huts on isolated islands. Now children are asked to perform difficult tasks, presumably without training or supervision. They are taken out of their homes and schools for 40 days, put in a place where they know no one and asked to cooperate with others to build a social order. The goal might be admirable but is it too much to ask children who are so young? And the rewards are what? Money, fame, pleasing their parents?
I have often wondered in my 30+ years of being a therapist what the world would be like if people were required to take a "parenting test" in order to have the privilege of becoming parents. Parents need to be loving and protective and give their children the feeling that their lives will be safe and secure. Without this sense of caring and well-being, children can grow up with a myriad of insecurities which may eventuate in profound depression, anxiety, drug and alcohol abuse, sexual addiction, eating disorders, self-mutilation. It can also lead to an inability to sustain a meaningful relationship when they are older. Some parents inflict unspeakable crimes against their children. And the price these children pay for having abusive, neglectful parents is immeasurable.
I am not suggesting that the forty parents of these children are in any way abusive, neglectful or unloving. I do wonder, however, why parents would let their children undergo this ordeal. Why let your child go off alone to the desert unsupervised for over a month working nonstop under the possible mistreatment of other children? And not all the children are equal. The older ones are presumably bigger, stronger and have more power. Why subject younger children to this? Do these children feel abandoned by their parents and by adults in general? Who is protecting them? Have they been exploited by society?
No one knows what the impact of this experience on these children will be. Some will be stronger, more self-reliant and have a sense of accomplishment. Others may become traumatized and be scarred later in life. But what parent wants to take the risk that their child will be the one to suffer?
I do not blame CBS for wanting a new reality show on their network. And with all the publicity it's generating, they might just have a new hit on their hands. It's not their responsibility if the parents of these children were willing to have their children participate. But would the CBS producers send their children off to the desert? That remains to be seen.
Safety4Kids also asked Dr. Carl Baum, a member of the SeeMore's Playhouse Safety Council, and Director of the Center for Children's Environmental Toxicology at Yale-New Haven Children's Hospital to weigh in on this controversy. He also worries about the long-term impact of what he calls "this experiment." Here is Dr. Baum's take on "Kid Nation."
"For a number of reasons, I don't think this is such a good idea."
- CONSENT: The parents may have given consent for their minor children to participate in this experiment (what else would you call it?), but did the children? The answer is no, as minor children can at most give their assent to participate, but cannot ethically, legally, or intellectually give informed consent.
Isn't this the same--in terms of consent and assent--as an investigational trial that would take place in a clinic or hospital setting? The answer again is no: while the starting conditions may be the same, the subsequent separation of the children from their parents changes the formula. Normally, clinical investigations allow parents and their children to withdraw from the study at any time, without any penalty. But in this case, the parent-child bond is temporarily broken, thwarting private discussions about whether or not to continue participation. - COERCION: The huge financial rewards of remaining on the show might be viewed as coercive. What if, for example, a child participant develops a sore throat, but refrains from reporting it to the medical personnel for fear of having to leave the show? Now imagine that the sore throat turns out to be strep throat, which, if untreated, could have significant long-term complications, and could spread to other children.
The promise of significant financial rewards could easily cloud the judgment of a child. But parents can have their judgment clouded, too. In the pediatric emergency department where I work, I have lost count of the number of times I am taking care of a child who has suffered a significant sports injury, and the first thing the parents want to know is, when can s(he) return to play? Maybe they're too busy thinking about that next game, or the championship, or the college scholarship... - SUPERVISION: Children are not capable, in most cases, of caring entirely for themselves. That is why we call on our social work colleagues in the hospital and at state agencies to help us rectify the problem when we suspect abuse or neglect--or even lack of supervision--of our young patients.
Dr. Richard Lerner, Director of the Institute for Applied Research in Youth Development at Tufts University has very strong feelings about "Kid Nation". Dr. Lerner's extensive research and experience, lead him to some pretty interesting conclusions.
"'Kid Nation' will be an instance of a cruel and exploitative assault on the lives of young people..."
Parents hope that their children will grow up healthy, happy, and productive. They aspire to have children who have the skills to contribute to their own well-being and, as well, to the well-being of their families, communities, and nation. Indeed, enlightened parenting involves the recognition that there is a necessary and intimate relationship between making contributions to one's self and one's family and, as well, making contributions to community and society. Behaviors that help only oneself but diminish the social and physical world in which we live are ultimately self-defeating and destructive of both self and society. As such, a key task of effective parenting is to help children become both good people and good citizens.
There is no magic bullet for developing these capacities in children. Some programs to enhance positive development and civic engagement succeed better than others. The most effective efforts involve long-term and positive relations between adult mentors and youth, the nurturing of life skills among youth, and the provision of opportunities for young people to participate in, and take leadership of, valued community activities.
Everything that is apparently going to be part of the CBS "Kid Nation" program seems antithetical to what is known from years and years of careful research and program evaluation about what is needed to develop young people who are intrinsically motivated to make meaningful and sustained contributions to themselves and their communities. Young people--and their families--are being promised the extrinsic rewards of thousands of dollars and, at least, their "15 minutes of fame." There is no adult mentoring, no curriculum for skill building, and no evaluation of whether young people are being damaged in the immediate context of their experience or, later on, as the effects of their participation in "Kid Nation" may become manifest in the future.
Putting people in an arena filled with hungry lions to appease the appetites for entertainment of the citizens of Rome was a "reality show" that even contemporary television executives would (perhaps) consider inhumane and immoral. Placing young people in the arena of public viewing to gain ratings among a television audience hungry for mindless amusement may not be as bloody as its Roman antecedent. But, because it is and plans to remain uninformed by science and practice, "Kid Nation" will be an instance of a cruel and exploitative assault on the lives of young people and a step towards signifying that children exist for the mere amusement of America's television audience. The concept of the "evil of banality" is not inappropriate here.
Are These Really The Tools of Childhood?
In addition to our clinical experts, some of whom happen to be parents, we also asked two of our regular contributors who write from the point of view of parents to tell us how they feel about this hot topic. Both of them described writing their blog entries in the "heat of emotion" having seen the CBS trailer and having read much of the press. And while their children are currently too young to be considered for a spot on the "Kid Nation" sequel, they had plenty to say on the subject. First up, Vivian."What would a Hollywood stage mother do?"
When I find that I am at a parenting crossroads, I like to ask myself: "What would a Hollywood stage mother do?" I think long and hard, come up with an answer and then SPRINT in the other direction. It's worked so far.
So when I first read about "Kid Nation", CBS' new reality show about kids ages 8-15 who spend 40 nights a la "Lord Of the Flies" (no parents, no teachers) I paused and asked myself, would I let my son go on a show like this? I think we know what most stage moms would say, so my answer is ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
Let's just start off by saying that reality TV is about as real as my size 2 pants ever fitting again. Ever notice there are no uni-brows on "Survivor"? That said, sending your 8 year old kid away for 40 days LET ALONE 40 unsupervised days is bad parenting. The only reality is that this is an acting opportunity and a great place to be discovered if what your kid wants (or what you want FOR your kid) is fame.
I would be willing to bet (although I don't know for sure) that CBS is keeping the kids' physical safety somewhat intact. Parents aside, the cameraman is a grown-up, and so is the sound guy, prop person etc.... I'm guessing fights get broken up, hungry kids get food. But how do you account for the kids' emotional safety? An 8 year old needs help making decisions especially when her only options are choices being presented by a 15 year old. The incredible stress of being away from home, with no adult to turn to, must be overwhelming for most of these kids.
The kids are allowed to go home if they choose to, but I'm sure at every turn they are dangled a carrot to make them stay. I've watched the promo a few times now, and nearly spit my son's leftover chicken fingers all over the keyboard when the host of the show (a grown-up, by the way) held up a solid gold star worth...GASP...$20,000 which the kids were told would help pay for their college tuition. (Maybe he was talking about when he went to college?)
To all the people who say "What if the kids really wanted to be on the show?" I say... my son really wants chocolate chip cookies for dinner every night but (thanks to those stage mothers in Hollywood) I just say NO!
Jen is our blogging mom who has three kids, including an adorable set of twins. She had a very interesting childhood; you might say she lived her own "Kid Nation" but without the world watching. We think this gives her a fairly unique perspective on the whole matter, more of a world view, perhaps. Here are her thoughts on the subject:
"Kids in other countries might wish they were on 'Kid Nation'."
When I heard Matt Lauer talking about the controversy brewing around "Kid Nation" I figured they were just trying to plug the show. (That's before I learned it was on CBS!) When he said he would never send one of his kids, I thought that was pretty obvious, neither would I. In considering the whole thing further I realized that this is just another step in the full cleansing of anything real from the experience of our kids.
If I think back on my own childhood summers (as I cart my eldest from tennis to play dates, from camp to swimming) I remember that when I was four I spent the summer in Hawaii with my Dad while my 7 year old sister cared for me. Not ideal, to be sure, but clearly those were different times; in some ways less dangerous and in most ways, less jaded. I had a number of unique summers, spent in the "care" of siblings and learning at a very young age how to fend for myself.
My summers made me who I am in some way so fundamental to how I live my life that I can't imagine what type of person I'd be without them. I don't know if I could change the type of summer I'm giving to my child even if I wanted to. That's what kids around here do, but I wonder what kind of lessons she's learning...I also can't help but think that kids around the world are doing vastly different things: they are fighting wars, working in factories and caring for their families.
I can't imagine they wouldn't trade places with the kids from "Kid Nation" in a heartbeat.
Clearly, this is a controversial topic, and no doubt, the powers that be at CBS knew it would be. At Safety4Kids, we care first and foremost about the safety and wellness of children everywhere. Even in a ghost town, somewhere in the desert of New Mexico.
Please post a comment and let us know how you feel about this important controversy.
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13 Comments:
Hi: It's Dr. Parker (writer of another WebMD Blog: "Healthy Children").
Just wanted to say that I really enjoy your blog and your excellent posts. I'm glad you have joined us.
This post was especially stimulating since I'm wasn't aware of the this latest Lord of the Flies reality show. I like that you present different views.
Personally I don't feel inspired to watch it. I'm sure it will be entertaining and all, but I imagine that if there are lessons to be learned from it (a dubious notion), they will be distortions because of the artificiality of the circumstances.
But your post did get me to thinking about this idea of a "Parenting License" and has inspired me to write about it soon in my own blog (Hint: I don't think it is a bad idea, I think it is a HORRIBLE idea).
Anyway, keep up the good work!
- Dr. P
My nephew was on the show and I am amazed at some of the false assumptions being made about the show and the people who participated.
On the safety issue: Have you ever sent a child to boy or girl scout camp? Were they personally shadowed by a production assistant the entire camp? Were most of their movements caught on hidden security camera being monitored 24/7? Was a psychologist on duty 24/7? An EMT and ambulance waiting just in case? NO????? Well these kids had more supervision and safety precautions in place than your children probably have right this minute.
On the idea of this psychologically scarring the kids for life: I will concede that being on television as a child can turn out to be a bad thing. We've seen the child star syndrome. But in those cases the kid actors lived a life of show biz, got judged from toddlerhood by their appearance, grew up on the screen, got a lot of individual celebrity attention... But on Kid Nation, there were 40 kids. No one kid has all the attention and associated pressure. Also it was a one-time 40 day shoot. Then back to real life in Idaho or wherever they came from. It really was like being filmed at wilderness camp. There will be a year of recognition and attention when the show airs but again - there are 40 of them. The sheer number of participants diffuses the impact of instant celebrity.
On the idea of pushy show-biz parents sacrificing their children for fame and a quick buck: My nephew was "found" by a CBS talent scout because of a musical recital he performed in. At least for this first season, there were no industry insider postings or open casting calls - CBS went out to local spelling bees, music recitals, special interest camps, rodeos, sports tournaments, etc. to find real children with real interests. The children were recruited onto the show - as far as I am aware there was never even an opportunity for a pushy show biz parent to even try, via casting calls, agents... whatever, to get their kid on the show.
Still you are thinking you would never agree to it. Well now imagine this - you've got a high-achieiving "normal" kid who perhaps just earned a spot in his state's childrens symphony or just won a blue ribbon for his pet goat at the county fair. He has already shown a lot of interest in civics at school for the past several years. He's participated in mock United Nations events and learned that he actually likes public speaking. He's thinking about a career in government. He loves history. Now as a result of achieving some relatively small and "normal" local honor, he is seen by a CBS talent scout and gets invited to be on a TV show where the kids get to go to an Old West town and form their own government to show the adults how much better they can do it. He'll be living wilderness style and have to work with other kids to make things work in their own society. He thinks that sounds like the most amazing fun ever. He's seen reality TV (in fact he's a big fan of the Amazing Race and Project Runway) and he understands the potential downside of being portrayed as the cheat or the whiner or the dumb one. But he wants to do it anyway.
As a parent you immediately think "no way" because of your normal parental concerns and your distaste for sensational reality TV shows but after months of talking to (and actively investigating) the producers, casting agents, legal advisors, psychologists etc. you decide it does seems like this show is built around positive and uplifting premise (kids forming a better society than adults) and perhaps does represent a unique chance for your son to experience something extraordinary.
Are there risks? Yes - like letting your kid go for a solo campout to make Eagle Scout, campaign for class president, tryout for the varsity team, etc. These things all involve physical and/or emotional risks (and btw you sign away your rights to sue the Boy Scouts or the school district or whoever is running the event) but as a loving parent you cautiously let your children take gradually greater risks as they get older. You see your job as showing them how to navigate the world - not hiding or sheilding them from it. Certainly this is on a bigger and more public scale. You would never have sought out this particular kind of experience nor would you ever actively encourage him to do it, but will you really stand in his way if it means a lot to him? How might your unilateral veto effect your relationship with this young teenager? Showing him you don't trust him to make his own decisions - is that a great way to start the teen years? Maybe you wish this had never come up, but now that it has, how are you going to play it?
After months of consideration, you ultimately decide to let him make the decision for himself, arming him with as many pros and cons as you can. You talk him through a lot of different possible outcomes. You subtly go extra heavy on the negative possibilities. But he really wants to do it anyway. He's confident and happy. You are naturally still a little worried, but you have satisfied yourself that the production will be as safe if not safer than the camping and rafting trip he went on last summer so you support his decision.
I ask you: Is this the thought process of a pushy stage parent hell-bent on seeking celebrity status? No, it is the process that two loving parents of one boy really went through. He went on to do the show, had a great time and made some great friends. Perhaps some kids at 12 or 13 would not be mature enough to do this, some would not be even at 15 or 16, others might be ok at 8 or 9. Like in many areas of life, it depends on your kid.
Just know that not all kids on TV are pushed there by their parents.
I will not presume to know what goes on in other peoples' (and other parents') heads. You shouldn't either.
Oh brother I just re-read the earlier posts and I just had to comment specifically on this one truly idiotic comment:
"What if, for example, a child participant develops a sore throat, but refrains from reporting it to the medical personnel for fear of having to leave the show? Now imagine that the sore throat turns out to be strep throat, which, if untreated, could have significant long-term complications, and could spread to other children."
Do you think this hypothetcial scenario of hiding or ignoring an illness doesn't happen unless a kid is on a TV show? No child might ever think of hiding a sore throat to get to go to a friend's birthday party? A long-awaited sleepover? A special school field trip? Maybe even to stay at a really fun summer camp? Get real!
The response to this show is a classic case of piling on. Anything and everything that might happen to a child is being held up as a special risk just of this show. Children who do things together whether it is at school, on a sports team, at church camp, WHEREVER... are exposed to risks. Strep throat happens. With all the people monitoring and filming these kids, a sick kid would probably be noticed (and segragated from the other kids) more quickly during the Kid Nation shoot than at the most snooty of preschools.
If you are enjoying piling on CBS about the show, fine. But at least pick something more rationale to complain about.
To the aunt of one of the kids:
My kid was also "found" via a performance she did with her dance group. Actually, the group was found and recruited for America's Got Talent.
I went through a similar thought process and decided to let her go forward with it for two reasons: First, so that she could be disabused of any romantic notions she might have had about show business; and second, because I had no illusions that they would go on to the top rounds (they're good, but too far off of the mainstream to have gotten very far) and had no problem with letting her have her 'moment' in the spotlight.
In retrospect, I can say that it wasn't an especially rewarding experience for her, mostly because the "American Idol" philosophy of being mean and nasty to kid contestants permeated her time on stage and ultimately the majority of their performance ended up on the cutting room floor.
From what you wrote, I'm guessing that your nephew is in middle school or thereabouts. Would his parents have done it if he were 8? That's really my problem with this show more than anything else -- the inclusion of kids so young. It's one thing to be in 8th grade and another to be 8.
Even though your nephew was approached by a talent scout, the producers are conducting casting calls for Season 2 now and I suspect they did for Season 1, too -- you can find the Season 2 calls via a Google search. Rest assured that all of those parents schlepping their kids to commercial auditions are now putting them through 'training' to be ready for Junior Survivor, Season 2.
The other part of this that bothers me is the complete removal of parental support for an extended period of time. One of two things is happening here: Either the kids were on their own and ran the risk of feeling some serious anxiety about that or they weren't and the audience is being misled. But as a parent, I wouldn't want to surrender my kid to the influence of his/her peers for that long. God knows there are enough negative peer influences out there, and telling a kid that they HAVE to rely on peer influence for an extended period of time feels like abrogation of parental responsibility to me.
I really don't see what all the fuss is about. Parents now adays leave thery're chrildren with a tv for a babysitter. Chrildren in that age group spend most of they're time playing video games, talking on cell phones and computers. They believe in the easter bunny, santa , the tooth fairy and superman, all taught by so called responsible parents but they are not taught God. MAlot of chrildren can run a computer better than adults, but they dont even know the ten commandments. Well forget religion, that is not my point. My point is, these chrildren are building self esteem, a problem among so many young people today. They are learning a reward system, for they're hard work. They are learning consequences for the actions they take. Frankly I believe that all th eadults are afraid of is that if you put 40 adults in the same situation they would fail, ego's , jealousy, mistrust ect has tarnished us, but there chrildren are learning alot at a young age and doing sometihing that most adults could not do. I know i couldent, can you?
I have to agree with Anonymous that posted on 09/27/2007. What is the big deal? I am a loving parent and grandparent who thought that this was a good idea. Why, because children now days do not have earn something because they are just handed most things they want. I have a 16 year old at home and would not hesitate to send her to this and make her better understand what team work is all about. These children are not directly under adult supervision, but there are adults standing by if something serious does happen. The Aunt of one of the children stated it best when she pointed out that adults are there watching the children's every move. Name a parent who can do that! Not a simple task. There are more important things in this world that are a bigger issue than a television show. Why not focus your energy there!
Now I know I was right. So much hullabalo over nothing. Are theadults who had all this concern about these chrildren embarressed by there're accomplishments. These chrildren are learing such valuable lessons. Last nights show based on faith, made me realize, that alot of adults fight over stupid things, these so called chrildren,that everyone is so worried about have better caracture than alot of adults. I for one, who dosent have a relative in the show am proud as can be about the job, the "chrildren"are doing.....
Actually, what it's showing me is that a bunch of kids are capable of following a producer's directions. After last night, it's obvious they're not really thinking for themselves much at all.
For those of you who say no big deal? What's all the fuss? I have worked in TV for 15 years and what you are seeing is what producers want you to see and not necessarily what is happening. If you believe what you see on reality TV....I have a bridge to sell ya.
Well, well, well. Maybe they should just raise the minimal age limit, as well as the maximal age limit. I think that might help.
Another thing, yes minors don't have legal consent, but I am sure the kids; parents didn't force them to be on the show.
Come on people, stop being so liberal about this issue.
I really like what the person said, who had their nephew on the show.
I'd just like to point out that the Children on the show could go home whenever they wished. But only 3 went home in the long run.
NOT TRUSTING YOUR CHILD IS NOT LOVING YOUR CHILD!
This article makes it seem as if the kids are totally unsuperivised. This is reality tv. Of course they're supervised. The network doesn't want to take any chances of getting sued. Even if the parents sign a wavier.
im a kid i think its cool but theres obviously someone there or they couldnt get it on film.
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